Russia invades Ukraine, call for Help ! (Donations and sanctions)

[Alexey Eromenko]

Due to recent aggression of Russian army against my brothers, in Ukraine, I
call for HELP !!!
Such medieval age aggression is completely unacceptable in the globalized
21st century.

Okay, let's start from the beginning.
In 2014, due to mass-protests in Ukraine, Kiev, called "EuroMaidan",
old pre-russian President Yanukovich (retreated to Russia) was replaced by
much more business-oriented and Europe-friendly President Petro Poroshenko.
Right after that Russia occupied Crimea, part of Ukraine.
Recently Russia entered full force into mainland-Ukraine.

Here is the problem:
Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union,
now wants to become Free and break ties with the big Russian brother.
Russia, which was the biggest (main) part of the Soviet Union doesn't let
it go.

What Russia wants?
-Dictatorship
-No freedom of speech
-No opposition
-No Bitcoin (and other crypto-currencies -- they are all banned in Russia)
(as compared to Ukraine, which recently put it's first BTM, Bitcoin teller
machine in Kiev.)
-Radicalism, closed-border and anti globalization.
More specifics:
-Anti-war Protesters in Russia were all beaten by the Russian police and
KGB special forces,
and put into jail.
-Closure of several McDonalds restaurants in Moscow.
-Food import ban by Russia from EU/US. (hurts both parties, but EU economy
is 10x stroner, so Russians will get hit more than Europeans)

What Ukraine wants?
-Break ties from it's past -- Soviet Union and (big brother) Russia
-Become modern, and free democracy with freedom of speech
-Become part of the European Union
-Globalization

Russia has invaded Ukraine, and the global community must act to stop this
agression.
And on 27.Aug.2014 it becae very obvious.
Russian officials, President Putin. and their foreign officer have said,
that there are no Russian trrops
in Ukraine, but they are lying !

Proof-of-aggression by Russia: (in Russian, but you can use Google
Translate)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2014/08/140827_ukraine_russian_soldiers_experts.shtml
-and-
http://lb.ua/news/2014/08/26/277196_plennie.html

Because all diplomatic acts and sanctions have failed to stop Russia, we
need to act with force.
Ukrainian Army provides it's soldiers with weapons, clothes and basic food.
That's it.
Communication radios, that were left since the soviet union age are usually
broken, and there are few left.
The Ukrainian army was non-maintained for 23 years (between 1991, when
Soviet Union was broken into smaller
countried and until this war in 2014).

We're gonna provide Ukrainian soldiers with stuff, that they lack
through private volunteer organizations.
We'll provide them with personal body armor, better radio communications,
night-vision,
medicide, batteries and other stuff, that official Ukrainian army doesn't
support.

Myself being Russian-Israeli-jew, so it is not easy for me to say this, but
Putin (Russian President) has to be stopped.
I also have friends and family from Ukraine. Those were brother-nations,
before this crazy war of 2014.
Putin, the Russian President, is guilty for this WAR ! He must be Stopped !
We, at our family, Eromenko, already entered sanctions against Russian
Federation and call the same.

Remember: Every $1000 buys a personal armor -- gives additional chance to
save Ukrainian life,
and beat the Putin aggression !!

Action: Donate Bitcoin to enable Ukrainian soldiers to protect their
freedom.

I also call for sanctions against Russian: Stop buying russian products !
No Kaspersky Antivirus, no Russian food. (Poland and Ukraine produce
similar-style food).

The money will be spread among several large volunteer organizations in
Ukraine, including:
-Army SOS (https://www.facebook.com/groups/801155103252773/)
-Wings Phoenix (https://www.facebook.com/wings.phoenix.rus)
..and potentially with side donations to smaller volunteer organizations:
-Volunteer's hundred "svit"
-"Narodniy Til"
-potentially other organizations, that help Ukraine
===
Donate Bitcoin:
155ec7dfw7ZhVCA1n5Aap8uigpbXPKaqRh
PayPal: donate directly to Army SOS. You don't need middle man. (Me)
===
-Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 31.Aug.2014.

P.S:
What will happen if Russia wins?
-Bring dictatorship in the country
-No more freedom of speech
-I believe, they may attack Latvia or Poland next (This Putin is a
blood-crazy dictator)
(risking peace of the European Union)
-They will enslave all Ukrainians
-Destroy Bitcoin community there (or drive them into black-market)

[Gerard Arthus]

While I really do not like bringing political discussions into a forum such
as this ... this communication requires a reply. Yes Ukraine would be
better off not under the Russian thumb, but we should look at the history
of the Ukraine. The disputed part was always part of Russia until it became
a gift of Khrushchev. So there is no historical reason for it to be under
the Ukraine. It is part of the Amerikan plan to keep everyone fighting
(just like in the Mideast). So would you prefer the Ukraine to be
butt-lickers for the Amerikans? The Amerikans toppled the previous
government so I think that no one has clean hands in this mess. I guess the
end-game is to get everyone under the thumbs of the International bankers;
what you recommend would greatly facilitate that.

Gerry

Post by Alexey Eromenko
Due to recent aggression of Russian army against my brothers, in Ukraine,
I call for HELP !!!
Such medieval age aggression is completely unacceptable in the globalized
21st century.
Okay, let's start from the beginning.
In 2014, due to mass-protests in Ukraine, Kiev, called "EuroMaidan",
old pre-russian President Yanukovich (retreated to Russia) was replaced by
much more business-oriented and Europe-friendly President Petro Poroshenko.
Right after that Russia occupied Crimea, part of Ukraine.
Recently Russia entered full force into mainland-Ukraine.
Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union,
now wants to become Free and break ties with the big Russian brother.
Russia, which was the biggest (main) part of the Soviet Union doesn't let
it go.
What Russia wants?
-Dictatorship
-No freedom of speech
-No opposition
-No Bitcoin (and other crypto-currencies -- they are all banned in Russia)
(as compared to Ukraine, which recently put it's first BTM, Bitcoin teller
machine in Kiev.)
-Radicalism, closed-border and anti globalization.
-Anti-war Protesters in Russia were all beaten by the Russian police and
KGB special forces,
and put into jail.
-Closure of several McDonalds restaurants in Moscow.
-Food import ban by Russia from EU/US. (hurts both parties, but EU economy
is 10x stroner, so Russians will get hit more than Europeans)
What Ukraine wants?
-Break ties from it's past -- Soviet Union and (big brother) Russia
-Become modern, and free democracy with freedom of speech
-Become part of the European Union
-Globalization
Russia has invaded Ukraine, and the global community must act to stop this
agression.
And on 27.Aug.2014 it becae very obvious.
Russian officials, President Putin. and their foreign officer have said,
that there are no Russian trrops
in Ukraine, but they are lying !
Proof-of-aggression by Russia: (in Russian, but you can use Google
Translate)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2014/08/140827_ukraine_russian_soldiers_experts.shtml
-and-
http://lb.ua/news/2014/08/26/277196_plennie.html
Because all diplomatic acts and sanctions have failed to stop Russia, we
need to act with force.
Ukrainian Army provides it's soldiers with weapons, clothes and basic
food. That's it.
Communication radios, that were left since the soviet union age are
usually broken, and there are few left.
The Ukrainian army was non-maintained for 23 years (between 1991, when
Soviet Union was broken into smaller
countried and until this war in 2014).
We're gonna provide Ukrainian soldiers with stuff, that they lack
through private volunteer organizations.
We'll provide them with personal body armor, better radio communications,
night-vision,
medicide, batteries and other stuff, that official Ukrainian army
doesn't support.
Myself being Russian-Israeli-jew, so it is not easy for me to say this,
but Putin (Russian President) has to be stopped.
I also have friends and family from Ukraine. Those were brother-nations,
before this crazy war of 2014.
Putin, the Russian President, is guilty for this WAR ! He must be Stopped !
We, at our family, Eromenko, already entered sanctions against Russian
Federation and call the same.
Remember: Every $1000 buys a personal armor -- gives additional chance to
save Ukrainian life,
and beat the Putin aggression !!
Action: Donate Bitcoin to enable Ukrainian soldiers to protect their
freedom.
I also call for sanctions against Russian: Stop buying russian products !
No Kaspersky Antivirus, no Russian food. (Poland and Ukraine produce
similar-style food).
The money will be spread among several large volunteer organizations in
-Army SOS (https://www.facebook.com/groups/801155103252773/)
-Wings Phoenix (https://www.facebook.com/wings.phoenix.rus)
-Volunteer's hundred "svit"
-"Narodniy Til"
-potentially other organizations, that help Ukraine
===
155ec7dfw7ZhVCA1n5Aap8uigpbXPKaqRh
PayPal: donate directly to Army SOS. You don't need middle man. (Me)
===
-Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 31.Aug.2014.
What will happen if Russia wins?
-Bring dictatorship in the country
-No more freedom of speech
-I believe, they may attack Latvia or Poland next (This Putin is a
blood-crazy dictator)
(risking peace of the European Union)
-They will enslave all Ukrainians
-Destroy Bitcoin community there (or drive them into black-market)
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[Leonardo Carneiro]

I'm from Brazil, and the news that reach here are generally favorable to
the ukrainian cause, but this may be because the US media industry is on a
berserker mode against the Kremlin.

While I sympathize with the ukrainian side of the argument, I urge the
fellow members to keep this kind of discussions in another place.

This is one of the most educated lists that i'm part of, and this kind of
posts, mainly coming from
one of our most distinguished and participating members, just help to
undermine this well earned reputation.

Post by Gerard Arthus
While I really do not like bringing political discussions into a forum
such as this ... this communication requires a reply. Yes Ukraine would be
better off not under the Russian thumb, but we should look at the history
of the Ukraine. The disputed part was always part of Russia until it became
a gift of Khrushchev. So there is no historical reason for it to be under
the Ukraine. It is part of the Amerikan plan to keep everyone fighting
(just like in the Mideast). So would you prefer the Ukraine to be
butt-lickers for the Amerikans? The Amerikans toppled the previous
government so I think that no one has clean hands in this mess. I guess the
end-game is to get everyone under the thumbs of the International bankers;
what you recommend would greatly facilitate that.
Gerry

Post by Alexey Eromenko
Due to recent aggression of Russian army against my brothers, in Ukraine,
I call for HELP !!!
Such medieval age aggression is completely unacceptable in the globalized
21st century.
Okay, let's start from the beginning.
In 2014, due to mass-protests in Ukraine, Kiev, called "EuroMaidan",
old pre-russian President Yanukovich (retreated to Russia) was replaced
by much more business-oriented and Europe-friendly President Petro
Poroshenko.
Right after that Russia occupied Crimea, part of Ukraine.
Recently Russia entered full force into mainland-Ukraine.
Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union,
now wants to become Free and break ties with the big Russian brother.
Russia, which was the biggest (main) part of the Soviet Union doesn't let
it go.
What Russia wants?
-Dictatorship
-No freedom of speech
-No opposition
-No Bitcoin (and other crypto-currencies -- they are all banned in Russia)
(as compared to Ukraine, which recently put it's first BTM, Bitcoin
teller machine in Kiev.)
-Radicalism, closed-border and anti globalization.
-Anti-war Protesters in Russia were all beaten by the Russian police and
KGB special forces,
and put into jail.
-Closure of several McDonalds restaurants in Moscow.
-Food import ban by Russia from EU/US. (hurts both parties, but EU
economy is 10x stroner, so Russians will get hit more than Europeans)
What Ukraine wants?
-Break ties from it's past -- Soviet Union and (big brother) Russia
-Become modern, and free democracy with freedom of speech
-Become part of the European Union
-Globalization
Russia has invaded Ukraine, and the global community must act to stop
this agression.
And on 27.Aug.2014 it becae very obvious.
Russian officials, President Putin. and their foreign officer have said,
that there are no Russian trrops
in Ukraine, but they are lying !
Proof-of-aggression by Russia: (in Russian, but you can use Google
Translate)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2014/08/140827_ukraine_russian_soldiers_experts.shtml
-and-
http://lb.ua/news/2014/08/26/277196_plennie.html
Because all diplomatic acts and sanctions have failed to stop Russia, we
need to act with force.
Ukrainian Army provides it's soldiers with weapons, clothes and basic
food. That's it.
Communication radios, that were left since the soviet union age are
usually broken, and there are few left.
The Ukrainian army was non-maintained for 23 years (between 1991, when
Soviet Union was broken into smaller
countried and until this war in 2014).
We're gonna provide Ukrainian soldiers with stuff, that they lack
through private volunteer organizations.
We'll provide them with personal body armor, better radio communications,
night-vision,
medicide, batteries and other stuff, that official Ukrainian army
doesn't support.
Myself being Russian-Israeli-jew, so it is not easy for me to say this,
but Putin (Russian President) has to be stopped.
I also have friends and family from Ukraine. Those were brother-nations,
before this crazy war of 2014.
Putin, the Russian President, is guilty for this WAR ! He must be Stopped !
We, at our family, Eromenko, already entered sanctions against Russian
Federation and call the same.
Remember: Every $1000 buys a personal armor -- gives additional chance to
save Ukrainian life,
and beat the Putin aggression !!
Action: Donate Bitcoin to enable Ukrainian soldiers to protect their
freedom.
I also call for sanctions against Russian: Stop buying russian products !
No Kaspersky Antivirus, no Russian food. (Poland and Ukraine produce
similar-style food).
The money will be spread among several large volunteer organizations in
-Army SOS (https://www.facebook.com/groups/801155103252773/)
-Wings Phoenix (https://www.facebook.com/wings.phoenix.rus)
-Volunteer's hundred "svit"
-"Narodniy Til"
-potentially other organizations, that help Ukraine
===
155ec7dfw7ZhVCA1n5Aap8uigpbXPKaqRh
PayPal: donate directly to Army SOS. You don't need middle man. (Me)
===
-Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 31.Aug.2014.
What will happen if Russia wins?
-Bring dictatorship in the country
-No more freedom of speech
-I believe, they may attack Latvia or Poland next (This Putin is a
blood-crazy dictator)
(risking peace of the European Union)
-They will enslave all Ukrainians
-Destroy Bitcoin community there (or drive them into black-market)
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[Alexey Eromenko]

Repost
From: "Jurij Ivastsuk-Kienbaum" <jurij.ivastsuk-***@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sep 1, 2014 9:48 PM
===
Dear Gerry, I totally disagree with you!



If we follow your logic we should change all boarders in Europe,
simply because they were mostly other before 100 years and even more
different as before 200 years.

After Ukraine has become independent, after the self-distraction of
USSR, all Ukrainian boarders have been internationally recognized.

Even more..., 5 December 1994 in Budapest, Hungary, was signed a
political agreement - the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.

This agreement should provide security assurances by its signatories
relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation
of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three
nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America,
and the United Kingdom.

Putin (obviously not all russian people) is obviously a megalomaniac.
His purpose is to show to all over the world, that nobody can stop him
in achieving his maniacal Illusions. This is very dangerous, remember
the 2-World-War... At this time there was also a maniacal person who
thought in a similar way.



In my opinion, we all, people all over the World, should come together
and stop this madness!

Dear Gerry if we would do it your way, I fear we will get the same
result as 1939-1945, but we should learn from our history.

I am an Ukrainian, therefore this short statement is the point of view
of all Ukrainian people who wants to be free and independent.

Currently I am involved in different help-actions for Ukraine which
are directly targeted to the people needed our help now.

But I would do more if I can...

So I call on all people not to support your logic dear Gerry.



Sincerely,

Dr. Jurij Ivastsuk-Kienbaum

[jdd]

Post by Alexey Eromenko
After Ukraine has become independent, after the self-distraction of

Alexey, I understand your concern. But here is not the place to discuss it. If
you want, direct us to an other place to follow and let this list back to
VirtualBox, thanks

jdd

[Fernando Cassia]

Post by jdd
Alexey, I understand your concern. But here is not the place to discuss it. If
you want, direct us to an other place to follow and let this list back to
VirtualBox, thanks

Indeed. While I do support your argument, very favorably, Alexey, this is
NOT the place to discuss it.

Next time, please, if you want to bring attention to your cause, just add a
tagline to your emails
and the full text of the message hosted in a third party site, NOT posted
to this mailing list.

Ok, chaps, let's end this thread. No further replies please.
FC